When Liz Wheeler joined Glenn Beck by phone to talk about the Vatican’s recent actions, what started as a conversation about faith and leadership quickly turned toward something far deeper. Beck didn’t shy away from asking the question that’s been lingering among believers everywhere: “Where do you stand with this Pope? Is there hope here, or is this just a blip?”
Wheeler, who has never been one to dodge a hard question, gave an honest answer. “I think Catholics all over the world are asking themselves that same question,” she said. “The Catholic Church is the Davidic kingdom and it will endure regardless of infiltrators.”
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Her words carried a mix of conviction and concern. Yes, the Church will stand the test of time, but that doesn’t mean everything happening in its leadership is good. For many believers, Catholic and Protestant alike, it feels like something spiritually off is stirring behind the scenes.
The Spirit Behind “Climate Justice”
Wheeler didn’t mince words about what troubles her most. “It is demoralizing as a Catholic to see the Pope engaging in this climate… he calls it climate justice. What does that mean? Climate justice is a very thin mask over communist political aspirations. So it feels scandalous for a Pope to be courting with these people.”
She wasn’t talking politics for the sake of debate. Her point was spiritual. There’s a difference between caring for God’s creation and partnering with movements that deny the Creator altogether. “He blessed that water,” she said with a hint of disbelief. “I’d throw that holy water on these communists. See how many demons hiss out of them.”
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Behind the humor, there’s a serious warning. The enemy has always been skilled at disguising deception as virtue. Dressing up ideology in words like “justice” and “compassion” makes it harder for the Church to discern what’s holy from what’s hollow.
Confusion Among the Faithful
Wheeler went on to describe how these public displays can mislead believers who trust the Pope’s authority. “When you stand quite literally next to communists and take part in their rituals, it’s going to be very confusing,” she said. “It is the near occasion of sin at best because people who are not as informed… might conflate it for our true calling as Christians.”
She pointed out that Christians are indeed called to care for the world God made, but not at the expense of truth. “We are called to do that as Christians,” she said, “but when you conflate that with climate justice, which is anti-humanity, anti-good, that can be very confusing.”
Her warning strikes at the heart of the issue: when moral causes are rooted in ideologies that deny God, they cease to be moral.
A Crisis of Leadership
Beck agreed and said what many believers have felt for a long time. “I think all of our churches have let us down,” he admitted. “I hope and pray that we’ll start to see our churches find leadership that will stand up and be very clear on universal principles.”
His words hit home. Across denominations, many Christians feel that spiritual leaders have become hesitant to speak truth plainly. They want shepherds who aren’t afraid to call sin what it is, even when it’s unpopular.
Revival Rising Amid Darkness
Beck later asked if Wheeler believed anything good was coming out of the chaos. Her answer brought the conversation full circle. “There’s a spiritual revival that’s happening,” she said. “When someone is confronted with evil… it brings to the forefront of your mind in a new way that if there’s evil, there must also be good. And when you search for that good, it leads you toward God.”
In other words, the darkness has done something the devil didn’t intend, it’s driving people back to the light. Every lie exposed, every compromise uncovered, is turning hearts toward truth.
God’s Truth Will Stand
Wheeler closed with hope, and it’s a hope that all believers can hold onto. “We are of course engaged in spiritual warfare,” she said. “It is a good and humbling reminder that God brings so much good out of evil because you see this incredible awakening happening in people’s hearts.”
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The world may be filled with confusion, but God is not confused. While leaders waver, the Spirit of truth is still speaking. What’s unfolding in the Vatican isn’t just politics, it’s a glimpse into the wider spiritual battle shaking the world.
And in that battle, one truth remains: God’s Word will outlast every false ideology, and His Spirit will continue to call His people out of deception and back into the light.
James Lasher, a seasoned writer and editor at Charisma Media, combines faith and storytelling with a background in journalism from Otterbein University and ministry experience in Guatemala and the LA Dream Center. A Marine Corps and Air Force veteran, he is the author of The Revelation of Jesus: A Common Man’s Commentary and a contributor to Charisma magazine.
