In a striking conversation with L.A. Marzulli part of Media Day 2025 hosted by Charisma Media, Jonathan Cahn discussed how spiritual avatars have impacted our world more than any of us realize.
The “Avatar” frame
Cahn notes that the word “avatar” comes from Hinduism, where divine beings are believed to manifest through chosen individuals. He links that concept to the Brahmin caste—“the priests of the pagan gods”—and then to former Vice President Kamala Harris. In his telling, Harris’s background and even her name are spiritually significant. He points out that the name “Kamala Devi,” means the goddess,” in Hindu writings.
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Beyond the name, Cahn demonstrates how that elements of Harris’ background “conform to the image of the goddess.” The goddess Kamala, he says, is associated with the ocean; Harris was born by the San Francisco Bay and rose to prominence from San Francisco. In the mythic pantheon, Kamala is the number-two to the kingly deity; Harris, in turn, became America’s number-two as vice president. He then extends the parallel to her partnership with President Biden, noting that Biden was nicknamed “sleepy Joe,” while “Vishnu is called the sleeping god.”
A birth aligned to a festival
Cahn also points out how Harris’ birth date—October 20, 1964—fell on Sharad Purnima, and also on Kojagara Puja, a full-moon night when homes are traditionally opened to welcome the goddess. Cahn tells Marzulli, “Kamala… was born at night on the night of Kojagara Puja under the full moon,” the very night when, he says, the goddess is said to enter the world.
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A razor-thin alternate future
The conversation between the two then pivots to a bleak “what if.” Cahn recalls the assassination attempt on Donald Trump and offers a hypothetical: had Trump been killed, political chaos might have followed—“this woman… would have been elected.” Cahn affirms the stakes as spiritual, not merely political: an agenda “against life,” “against gender,” and “against religious freedom.”
The counter-sign: a “trumpet” is born
Finally, Cahn juxtaposes Harris’s birth symbolism with Trump’s. He says Trump was born on a Friday, ushering in the Sabbath, when Jewish congregations worldwide read a fixed passage of Scripture. “What was the scripture?” he asks. “The scripture was God calling forth a vessel into the world—calling forth a trumpet to make the trumpet, bring the trumpet forth into the world.” Cahn explains that Trump functions as a literal and prophetic “trumpet” that when the trumpet sounds, the gods retreat.
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Leaders, as Cahn shares he argues, are never merely leaders on the surface—they are avatars channeling rival kingdoms. America’s political crossroads is at a spiritual collision: if we become empty from God, we will fill ourselves with something dark and dangerous.
Abby Trivett is content development editor for Charisma Media.
