In a fiery and faith-filled conversation on the Revival Lifestyle Podcast, evangelists Mario Murillo and Isaiah Saldivar issued a bold message to the modern church: the supernatural is not optional—it is essential.
The Debate Over Miracles: Have They Ceased?
Murillo immediately challenged one of the most controversial theological positions in the church today—the idea that miracles no longer happen. He dismantled the logic behind cessationism, pointing out a critical flaw: “The cessationists believe there are false miracles. Well, how can that be if there aren’t real miracles? What are they counterfeiting?”
The conclusion is simple: miracles must still be real if counterfeits exist.
Why the Supernatural Is Needed Now More Than Ever
According to Murillo, the urgency of the hour demands a return to supernatural power.
“Miracles are for today. Why? Because sickness is today. Demon possession is today,” he said. “No church in the next five years, no church is going to grow if it doesn’t have authority in the supernatural.”
He warned that as darkness increases, the enemy will intensify counterfeit signs and deception—making it even more critical for the church to operate in genuine power.
A Generation Hungry for Something Real
Saldivar also emphasized that the current spiritual climate—especially among young people—reveals a deep hunger for authentic encounters with God.
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“Young people want the supernatural, and they don’t see it in the church,” Saldivar said. “So, they get driven straight to the occult, straight to the New Age, straight to the horoscopes, the mediumships.”
He described a generation tired of empty religion and desperate for a real experience with God: “Give me something real. Will somebody please let me experience the God that you guys keep talking about?”
Understanding Words of Knowledge
Addressing the often-misunderstood spiritual gift, Murillo clarified that words of knowledge are not about impressing people with information.
“He’s really not interested in telling me somebody’s address… that turns it into a sideshow,” Murillo said of the Holy Spirit’s role.
Instead, he emphasized that the purpose is transformation: “The big event… is when they go to their doctor and… the sickness is left.”
A Call to Bold Faith and Spiritual Authority
The conversation culminated in a powerful call for believers to step into their God-given authority.
Saldivar reminded listeners that the early church grew through supernatural demonstration, not strategy. “The church never grew with lights… it never grew with coffee shops… the most biblical way to grow the church… was miracles.”
As both men made clear, the stakes are high. A generation is searching, darkness is increasing and the church stands at a crossroads.
Their message is unmistakable: the answer is not retreat—but revival.
And that revival, they say, will be marked not just by preaching, but by power.
Abby Trivett is a writer and editor for Charisma Media and has a passion for sharing the gospel through the written word. She holds two degrees from Regent University, a B.A. in Communication with a concentration in Journalism and a Master of Arts in Journalism. She is the author of the upcoming book, The Power of Suddenly: Discover How God Can Change Everything in a Moment. For interviews and media inquiries, please contact [email protected].
